Coins – For Collecting, Not Investing

I’m visiting my parents on Cape Cod this month. My father recently turned 90, and my mother decided to open the long-buried safe where my father kept his coin collection. This offered a brief moment of Geraldo Rivera-type drama. What treasures, buried for decades, would we discover? Tune in after the commercial break…

Ok! We’re back! And…

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Al Capone’s vault: also disappointing

The haul fills less than half a shoe box. Mom got a quote from their local coin and stamp shop. This long-buried treasure is worth $728. At least, that’s what the dealer would pay for it. Smaug’s glittering horde this is not.

For nerdy numismatists among you, I’ll briefly describe the coins: a ¼ ounce gold coin; an 1877 U.S. Trade Dollar; two Carson City Morgan Silver Dollars (uncirculated, 1883 and 1884), five Peace Dollars, circulated from 1891 to 1934; three Spanish Carolus III Reales, ranging from 1784 to 1806; and two French Indo-China coins, issued a little more than 100 years ago.

I spent some time trying to figure out how much this little collection would cost to accumulate today. I checked Ebay.com, but also specialist sites like Coinquest.comGreysheet.com and ApMex.com. And then some books I’m about to mention.

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Peace Dollar

The collection would cost between $1,300 and $1,600 to put together.

In other words, the quote from the dealer is about half what it would cost to acquire the collection.

I bought two books at the dealer’s shop, a blue-covered  “Handbook of United States Coins 2021: The Official Blue Book 78th Edition”  and a red-covered “A Guide Book of United States Coins 2021: The Official Red Book 74th Edition.”

Both books have the same author and the same publisher. Both provide a comprehensive catalogue — lists upon lists upon lists — of coins and prices. They are basically the same book, with one crucial difference. One is for collectors (retail) while the other is for dealers (wholesale).

The issue comes down to what the finance world knows as the “Bid-Ask Spread.” In other words, the difference between how much retail purchasers pay to acquire the asset — the “ask”— and how much dealers will pay to take it off your hands — the “bid.”

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This is what the uncirculated Morgan Dollar looks like

Comparing the blue and red books side by side is fun. It would cost you about $39 to acquire my father’s 1927 silver Peace Dollar (the ask.) But the dealer will pay just $21 for the same coin (the bid.) It would cost you about $210 to acquire my father’s 1884 Morgan dollar (the ask.) But the dealer would pay just $150 for the same coin.

Sometime in the 1980s, probably at the same time gold prices were rising rapidly, my father became interested in coins. A mania for precious metals and coins has long cursed unsophisticated financial minds, like my father’s, but interest spikes particularly in moments of increased fear — such as the recession in the early 1980s. And also after gold and silver increase rapidly in price. In other words, moments like this one. Which makes his lapses of financial judgment in the 1980s relevant for us in the 2020s.

The problem with coins as investments is not that they are inherently fraudulent, per se. The idea that a dealer will charge an extraordinarily large bid-ask spread is not the same as fraud. Bid-ask spreads, in many cases, are fine. The issue is a question of degree, as well as a question of unequal information. Smaller spreads are obviously better for the purchaser/investor/collector, while bigger spreads can be better for the dealer. Assets with a huge bid-ask spread, like collectible coins, become inappropriate in part because of their inefficiency in trades.

Unequal information about the bid-ask spread gets to the heart of where mere inefficiency slides gently, maybe imperceptibly, into fraud. If the purchaser/investor/collector does not know that a huge big-ask spread exists and likely will persist in the future, rendering the asset extremely inefficient, then we should worry about fraud.That was one of the issues in the multi-state enforcement action against precious metal marketing company Metals.com earlier this year. They targeted the credulous and frightened, mostly elderly conservatives who watch and read right-wing media, and mercilessly charged markups so large that they constituted fraud.

My father’s own coin collection, as it exists in 2020, I mostly consider harmless. I mean, it wasn’t a good investment. But there’s an aesthetic and maybe intellectual pleasure to collecting old things, and that’s fine. My view is that because of their historical and aesthetic significance, his coins are preferable to accumulating a thousand dollars’ worth of Beanie Babies. Although it is, admittedly, more difficult to hug coins than Beanie Babies.

Coins don’t work well as investments. But they are OK as collectibles, I guess, because people like what they like.

The details had been a bit lost in family history, but my mother told me that, in fact, my father and his business partner had been defrauded on coin investments in the 1980s. My father’s memory is not good anymore, so I called up his old partner, now 80, to find out more.

A well-trusted accountant had introduced them to a pension advisory group, which helped them invest some of the firm’s pension in rare coins, approximately $50,000 worth, according to my father’s partner. Around the time they figured out that a motel investment (also totally inappropriate for my father and his partner’s level of sophistication) had gone sideways, they were contacted by the state attorney general investigating their pension advisor.

Unsurprisingly, in the end, they had paid huge markups on their coins. My father’s partner estimated they took a 30 percent loss on that portion of the pension, in the course of cutting ties with the advisor. That actually sounds to me about what one would expect, even with no outright fraud. That’s pretty much just the bid-ask spread. The motel was a larger percentage loss on a bigger investment. In the end, employee pensions were made whole on the losses, but my father and his partner took losses in their own pensions — as the business owners who should have known better.

Seems about right.

A version of this post ran in the San Antonio Express News.

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Where’s George?

I was on vacation on Cape Cod this summer, staying with my parents in the house where I grew up. Most days or nights we walk, bike or drive to the homemade ice cream shop down the hill. My chocolate sundae tasted especially sweet a few weeks ago because I received a $1 bill in change with intriguing red, stamped, markings. “Track This Bill” said the stamp, like a mystery message from Louis Carroll, followed by a URL for the website www.wheresgeorge.com

But oh joy! Unlike Alice puzzling over the White Rabbit’s invitation, I knew just what to do. 

The “point” of that website – if there is something as prosaic as a point here – is to upload and track individual paper bills as they move around the country.

My ice cream store-acquired bill with serial number G55…..H (2006) had been first entered into the WheresGeorge website just 35 days earlier, in upstate New York. For each bill ‘found’ and uploaded by another person the site reports the distance traveled and “average speed.” After uploading the info, I learned the bill in my hand had travelled 306 miles and 8.6 miles per day.

In addition to uploading a specific bill’s serial number, the site prompts you to enter a few lines of description about where you found your bill and what condition it is in. 

The “George” in the title is of course President Washington, the handsome dude whose visage adorns the $1 bill, but you can just as easily upload serial numbers for Jeffersons, Lincolns, Hamiltons and Jacksons, all of which I have done over the years. I have never uploaded Grants or Franklins to WheresGeorge, as I don’t traffic in these as often.

The WheresGeorge site launched in December 1998.

I created a profile there nearly twenty years ago, and entered my first few $1 bills in December 1999. I recall reading a newspaper story that year about WheresGeorge. Even then it appealed to my money nerdiness.

But also, I remember in 1999 the site represented a cutting-edge use of the internet, a kind of cloud-based social media site built around numismatics. Remember, this was five years before MySpace, six years before Facebook. 

I distinctly remember feeling the WheresGeorge site was pretty darn exciting, allowing everyone to upload disparate data points to create an accessible but personalized profile. It’s an activity that Facebook made universal and therefore banal. It still had the power to excite back then.

Funny enough, the site hasn’t much updated its format since 1999. It looks just how you’d expect a 1999-era website to look. Which is to say, pretty clunky. But, I learned, it still does the job in 2019. And if you’re the type of money weirdo who likes to track data, as I am, there is a lot going on here.

According to my personalized stats, I have entered 56 bills for a total value of $201. Three of these have had ‘hits,’ meaning another user has found my bills in the wild and uploaded the serial number to the site. I have, in turn, found 12 bills previously marked by other WheresGeorge users. My ice cream shop bill was the first one I’ve seen since 2016, and as a result it’s the first time I’d logged onto the site in 3 years.

“That’s really cool!” my 9 year-old exclaimed enthusiastically when I showed her my profile with earlier notes on dollar bills that I’d uploaded over the past 20 years. Her enthusiasm made me so happy because – obviously – no need for a paternity test, right? That kid’s clearly mine. 

I reached out to Brian Brummer, in La Vernia, TX, known as “Big B” on WheresGeorge. He’s the highest-ranked Texan on the site, and the 20thmost active user overall. Big B’s dedication to the site is, well, astonishing.

Big B’s stats, as of this writing: 

305,150 bills entered.

51,802 bills that have ‘hits.’ 

While Big B’s bills flit around the country, he himself is the most travelled person I’ve ever corresponded with. He’s been to 117 countries. Since retiring in 2002, not only has he uploaded bills from all 50 states, he’s managed to upload bills from all 254 counties in Texas, as well as having others report ‘hits’ from his bills from all 254 counties in Texas. 

I wasn’t wrong in thinking that WheresGeorge serves as a key social media site for its active users. The socializing has moved from on-line to in-person. Big B has attended 117 in-person gatherings of fellow WheresGeorge enthusiasts. And counting. The next Texas get-together will be in Austin in October, followed by one in La Vernia in 2020.

Joe Causey of Cullman, Alabama is ranked as the third most active user and known by the WheresGeorge handle MrNiceGuy. He replied to my query through the site and said he used to stamp nearly 20,000 bills per month, and would distribute them through his friend’s 10-plex movie theater, through change at the box office and concessions. The site, and affiliated forums, is by far his most active social media outlet.

I asked Big B what participants shared in common. He replied, “Most Georgers do have an interest in statistics and many have an interest in Geography.  Many folks claim we are all weird and having met more than 680 of them I will not argue this point too much.  Like any hobby people carry it to extremes and others just enjoy it as something to fill the passing time.”

I always try to pay with $2 bills…

That sounds…right. I can relate somewhat. I am the guy who orders $1,000 worth of $2 bills from my bank just so that I always have a bunch to buy my daily coffee with, or for my weekly poker game buy-in. So, yeah, I’m a little quirky about my money hobbies. But I recognize Big B and MrNiceGuy have taken the game to a whole other level.

About my ice cream sundae dollar: I spent it, releasing it like a prized fish back into circulation. If you find it – my $1 bill with a red stamp on it – please upload its info to WheresGeorge.com so that I can track its travels from Cape Cod in the summer of 2019 to across the country, and beyond.

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What’s my deal with $1 coins?

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